Off Topic How much do e-thots really make?

[oliver21a]

It seems like almost every page on this entire forum has at least one mention or question of how much these chicks make for doing almost nothing. Some people speculate, most just express shock, dismay, and disgust. And invariably some asshole trying to be smug says something along the lines of "I'm here to fap, not talk about finances durr hurr". As if that positions them in some kind of superior standing. People are curious about the economics that drive the entire industry that fuels this very forum, and this guy thinks he himself is cool because he's jerking off. I think Adam Carolla nails it in this clip: For anyone who curious, feel free to expand the spoiler. That being said, with regard to e-thot earnings, obviously it varies widely. Not all thots are created equal and there are a number who seemingly have all the advantages, yet don't quite make it, while others have been able to do a lot more with a lot less. I went into how this happens in the thread. First it's worth mentioning, (as ) sites like FansMetrics are largely bullshit. Without knowing the OnlyFans subscriber count there is no reliable way to estimate OnlyFans revenue. Simply taking social media followings and trying to use that as a proxy for paying subscribers on a different platform is nonsense. You use it to put an limit on subscribers, but not to gauge an accurate income. In other words, followers on Instagram doesn't necessarily equate to paying customers on OnlyFans, but it's unlikely someone is going to have more paying customers than social media followers. There are some with sizable followings which they are seemingly able to turn into insane revenue like Bella Thorne and Cardi B. For Bella, they claim she cleared $1 million in a single day, and $2 million by the end of her first week, but there's no real way to confirm that or gauge how much she makes on a consistent basis because I don't think her subscriber count was ever public, and she created a decent amount of backlash: I originally came across an article alleging Cardi B is making , and it claimed that only puts her in third place (behind Bella and Blac Chyna). This was obvious bullshit to me, but I was curious how a number like that would even get printed, even on a throwaway blog site like that. A simple search revealed more "articles" repeating the same figure, with one offering a list of the top 10 earners, claiming Blac Chyna is at the top with $20 million . Now we've officially reached the capital of Crazytown, and several other sites repeated the same list. One listed a few sites as "sources", but only gave the website, not a direct link to the article. But it's easy enough to search a blog site, and going to the first "source" they cite the original creator of the list...a fucking online gaming website called "SlotsUp." SlotsUp straight up admits the way they came up with those figures was by simply multiplying Instagram followers by the cost of the OnlyFans subscription. The page even says it was "to estimate what each of these stars be earning." But seemingly every other site just took the graphic and ran with it as gospel. It was a classic case of a modern day rumor funnel: This article goes into a little more detail. I only wish I had come across it before having to search down the truth myself. Granted, we talking about people who have follower counts in the tens of millions, and such numbers are easy to inflate, but even cutting the number in half, that leaves Mia Khalifa with 11.6M followers and Cardi B with almost 43M followers. You can still monetize that into 7 figures per year pretty easily. On a lower tier, but still in the elite level, we have someone like Malu Trevejo and her contemporary, Danielle Bregoli, the "cash me ousside how bow dat" girl from the Dr. Phil show (widely called by her instagram handle: "Bhad Bhabie"). These two both opened their accounts basically the day they turned 18, and already had sizable followings. Bregoli claims to have made $1 million in her first 6 hours, breaking the record reported for Bella Thorne: She kept her subscriber numbers private, but did post a screenshot allegedly showing her OF dashboard: If it's legit, it's not really surprising. She and Malu have a lot in common, and Malu left her own numbers public for quite some time, so it's easy to get a reliable estimate of her earnings, and they're up there. I mentioned it in , but she already had an 8-figure following on Instagram alone by the time she turned 18 and registered for OnlyFans on her birthday. Only a few days later, she had a live OF account with a $10/month subscription fee, and had 5k subscribers within a day...without a single post. before increasing it to $16/mo. Apparently she brought it back down to $10, and one month later she still had subscribers. Do that math, and then remember it's minimum (because some might have paid more, and then there's PPV)...per month. And again, that was over the course of just her first month, and a total of 9 posts. Last I checked was in February and her subscription was at $20/month and she still had 13.8k subscribers. And by that point she had done a pro photoshoot and this was the level of content: So, roughly at minimum, four months into it she was still pulling in: $275k -20% fee = $220,800 Throw in her PPV and it may be around a quarter million. Per month. Meaning $2.65 million/yr. It's much harder to tell what she's bringing in now, since she made it free to subscribe and then her count inflated to almost 175k today. No idea if that means more money, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was, or else she wouldn't be keeping it that way. Sure there will be plenty of freeloaders, but it only takes one or two PPV purchases and the free subscriber just paid the equivalent of a month membership. So this to me reaffirms that the upper elite are easily pulling in a few million per year as well. At this level you have chicks at the lower tier in social media following, but still enough to live on before getting on Patreon/OnlyFans. Vicky Stark, Kat Wonders, Christina Khalil... These thots have been at the social media game for at least a few years and sport at least a few hundred thousand followers on social media. They also left their patron counts on Patreon public for a while, so Graphtreon is able to provide some insight. For Vicky and Kat I went into it a bit in Basically I figure Kat is bringing in around the $100k– $200k per year range, and Vicky maybe a little more or less, between their OF and Patreon accounts. I'm not sure what other income streams they might have. , one article (from December 2020) says Gwen Gwiz was making $70k/month at that point, and it sounds like that includes $3k– $10k from youtube and social media. seems believable because she has a sizable audience from social media and is basically doing hardcore porn now. Khalil is discussed in the next post, but I figure she's probably around $200k– $300k per year. This article is one of the better ones I've seen in trying to get actual data and be as scientific as possible about it. Sadly it's almost a year old, so we don't get to account for the dramatic growth the site has likely seen as the pandemic lockdowns have waned on. In any case, as an overall site, OnlyFans is definitely a good business for the owners. In , the CEO claimed the site "is adding as many as 500,000 users a day and paying out more than $200 million a month to its creators." That puts it at over $2 billion in sales for 2020, dwarfing Patreon. For the thots, it's complicated. The upper tiers make the vast majority of the money the site brings in, and that's because they showed up to the site already having large social media followings, and they've largely accepted their position as e-thots and are seeking to maximize their exposure to maximize income. So they push accordingly. As from the Zaks post highlights, there are other tiers, and it can vary. The piece highlights a few different cases where thots have intentionally limited their fan-base by not advertising and keeping relatively low-key about their accounts. They want to make money, but they also want to maintain some level of privacy. So they're knowingly limiting their income. Even more popular thots have done this. Before she accepted her fate and went full throttle, Angie Varona maintained a Patreon account that capped at 100 patrons, and never advertised. It lasted less than a year, because she found out content was leaked, and rage quit. So while "the top 1% of accounts make 33% of all the money and the top 10% of accounts make 73% of all the money," I imagine in many cases this is by design. Despite how normalized the whole thing is getting, some thots just aren't ready to put themselves on full blast. Basically from what I gather it looks like this. Bear in mind this is mostly guesswork, and it's only what I'm thinking they're getting from OF, and doesn't include other sources of income. - (D list celebrity and above): $2⁠– $10 million/yr. Obviously there aren't many of these. This is probably less than 40 accounts. And there's really no way to calculate a good number because there's too many missing variables. How many paying subscribers do they really have on average? How much are they getting in tips and PPV sales? How much are they paying their management team to run the account? What kind of deal did they negotiate with OnlyFans? That basically goes for all the accounts, but it's a much bigger question mark for these larger accounts. - (over 5 million social media followers): $1M– $4 million/yr - (500k - 5M followers): $200k– $2 million/yr - (kind hot and/or somewhat business minded, but small following): $30k– $300k - ("I have no following, but I need money, and I'll e-thot for it"): $0– $10k/yr

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[oliver21a]

Going back to "shithole" Pennsylvania... If anyone remembers they made a post back in January about . This was what they were talking about. I just can't help but chuckle every time he talks about "our jobs." I have no idea what he's making with the bullshit "build series" he does on Patreon, but Graphtreon has always seemed to be pretty accurate (unlike FansMetrics), and his subscriber count and tiers are visible, so there's good data to infer from. The estimate on the high end is $12k per creation, and I figure he does maybe 4-6 builds per year? We can go on the high end there and say: 6 creations per year, $12k per creation = $72k revenue Then figure: That leaves $63,792 in earned income per year from Patreon. No telling what he spends on all the materials and labor for customizing the motorcycles, not to mention the bikes themselves. I'm sure he gets some discounts and maybe even some freebies, but just for the sake of argument we can pretend he gets it all for free. I don't know what's reasonable, but let's say he gets another $5k/mo in sponsorships. That puts him at $124k/yr before taxes. that FansMetrics estimates Khalil at $1.5M/yr on OnlyFans (no indication if that's before or after the 20% fee, but I think it doesn't include it.) But as I also said in that post, I think it's bullshit, and someone else mentioned asking 3 thots about the accuracy of their own fanmetrics stats and he reports they all said it's bullshit as well, so we can take that for what it's worth. But if they're actually buying this place, she's obviously gotta be doing pretty well, because he ain't footing this bill. The place was listed for a few million dollars, but it was on the market for almost 8 months, so maybe they were able to get it down lower. The tax valuation is half the list price, and the Zillow valuation is half of ...So I have no idea what the place is actually worth or how much they'd offer to pay for it. But I can't imagine the seller would get too far from the asking price. So assuming they pay the asking price and get a 30yr fixed at 3%, they're probably looking at around $170k–⁠$240k per year just in mortgage, taxes, insurance, depending on how much of a down-payment they make. Dude says they'd be taxed 60% of their earnings in California, and that would cover the mortgage on the house. Doing that math, that leads to an estimate of roughly $283,333–$400,000 per year in income for them. That actually sounds about right. He's probably $100k–$150k: and she's probably around $200k–$300k. That would would also make sense why it would be a risk, because they're putting the majority of their income into just a house payment, banking on the idea that it will allow them to grow their "businesses". I gotta say, with a place like that, (especially with that much land) there's definitely ways to monetize it to help it pay for itself, depending on what you're willing to do. But then again, you're also in Pennsylvania. It's kind of crazy, it's actually similar to the mansion they stayed in when they were on that game show. Stay in a place like that because you're a contestant on reality TV, then whore yourself out on OnlyFans and you can buy one of your own. I suppose there's perks to living in a shithole location. Dolla goes pretty far. Guess we'll be getting more winter content...

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[oliver21a]

The only reliable source I have come across is this Screenshot that camgirl made of her OnlyFans earnings and posted it on her Twitter. So she made 7,000$ in February, and this is only her "sidejob", her main income comes from MFC and she's also active on ManyVids. In fact it seems to me, that camgirls are somehow the "hidden champions" when it comes to making money on the Internet. Let's take xxx girl for example. The worst night i've seen from her, she got tipped 20,000 tokens, which equals 1,000$. And she's on cam every night, never seen her take a day off. And that's only her on-cam-earnings. When you take into consideration that she's also getting offline tips, selling videos and has an OnlyFans, I wouldn't be surprised if she'd make more than a million per year. But unlike most camgirls, she has something like a work ethic, her cam sessions are usually 10-12 hours, camming the wohle night through. Now - on the other hand - take one of those successful Instagram bitch.... erm... models like (). She has more than a million followers on IG, has 30k likes on each of her IG pictures - but none of her last five pics on her paid OnlyFans has more than 17 likes. And since she doesn't sell stuff in her DM's like other girls do, I don't think she makes more than 1,000$ with her OF. But then again she posts pics drinking wine for 1,000$ per bottle - how does that fit together? I think we all know that those famous IG models make most of their money offline, when they're "on vacation in Dubai".....for several months....

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[oliver21a]

Yeah the comparison between chicks like that and those like you describe Marta Mayer is something I went into in "How E-thotting Works (how to get the content you want)"

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[oliver21a]

Take a look at AvaLoveXo, has about 130k on twitter, and made about $15k in the first week of April. Only charges $3 per subscription too.

[oliver21a]

They make more than the average 8 hours/day worker for something that they spend less than 30 minutes everyday

[oliver21a]

This girl does not even post nudes and has made 250k, has about 2k subscribers with a $20 monthly fee.

[oliver21a]

Irenethedream 24h after opening her OF, had another screenshot from Thebaebreanna but can't find it, if I remember correctly she made around a 140k in 6 months